rHXN - Grok 4.3

sundarurfriend - 2 hours ago

As an English-as-second-language speaker and writer, one thing Grok really shines at is capturing the tone and level of "formality" of a piece of text and the replicating it correctly. It seems to understand the little human subtleties of language in a way the other major providers don't. Chatgpt goes overly stiff and formal sounding, or ends up in a weird "aye guvnor" type informal language (Claude is sometimes better but not always).

Grok seems in general better at being "human" in ways that are hard to define: for eg. if I ask it "does this message roughly convey things correctly, to the level it can given this length", it will likely answer like a human would (either a yes or a change suggestion that sticks to the tone and length), while Chatgpt would write a dissertation on the message that still doesn't clear anything up.

Recently I've noticed that Grok seems to have gotten really good at dictation too (that feature where you click the mic to ask it something). Chatgpt has like 90-95% accuracy with my accent, the speech input on Android's Gboard something like 75%, Grok surprisingly gets something like 98% of my words correct.

djyde - 2 hours ago

I've also noticed that when I communicate with Grok in my native language, its tone is more natural than other models. I think this is due to the advantage of being trained on a large amount of Twitter data. However, as Twitter contains more and more AI-generated content now, I'm afraid continued training will make it less natural.

thunderbong - 1 hour ago

I'm sure Twitter knows which are the bot accounts and is surely excluding them from their model training. Twitter bots aren't a new phenomenon after all.

cowsup - 14 minutes ago

I don't think Twitter/X know for sure who the bots are, since Elon has been pretty vocal about trying to stop them for ages, yet I still get lots of spam DMs (as do others with far fewer followers/reach).

Even if 95% of the spam gets actively reported and dealt with, that still leaves a ton of nonsense on the platform, getting fed into the LLM. And spam has only gotten worse over the years, as the barrier to entry has lowered and lowered.

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

There is bots everywhere, it has nothing to do with the platform, it has to do with attackers having an incentive to do mass account farming, no platform is secure against it.

kedihacker - 5 minutes ago

With banning and deboosting they need to be very accurate but with filtering they can be more liberal in excluding

simianwords - 59 minutes ago

not really. there are easy heuristics to filter out bots with good confidence. FWIW i don't see any bots posting anything in my feed

pixel_popping - 51 minutes ago

Yes your individual feed isn't really relevant if we talk about the masses, Reddit accounts are for sale quite cheap, HN as well, X too and so-on, it's literally just a matter of means/methodology. If I want today to do 1000 random posts talking about a certain thing, I could.

simianwords - 23 minutes ago

my individual feed does matter because it shows that it is possible to curate something without bots which is obviously what XAI would do

pacific01 - 1 hour ago

Did you try meta? I was into grok but now meta works well for me

AntiUSAbah - 9 minutes ago

Its not human, its antihuman.

Especially you as a 'english-as-a-second-language', the hitler grok doesn't like people like you :|

artdigital - 2 hours ago

Grok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusion. Good stuff!

Just wish they would finally put some work into their apps, it's the only thing keeping me from actually subscribing to SuperGrok:

- No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work

- Projects are still not available in the app so as soon as you move something into a project, it's gone from all the native apps

- No way to add artifacts (like generated markdown docs) directly to a project, we have to export to PDF/markdown and re-import. And there isn't even a way to export artifacts. This makes serious project work hard because we can't dynamically evolve projects with new information

- No memory, no ability to look up other chats, each chat is completely new

- No voice mode in projects at all

If someone from xAI is reading this, please consider adding some of these.

artdigital - 2 hours ago

I also think Grok would benefit from allowing usage of "SuperGrok Heavy" (their $300 plan) in coding harnesses with included usage. Currently they give you some API credits on the Heavy plan so you can use some Grok for coding, but $300 USD value is just not there.

Not saying they should create their own grok-code harness, just allowing usage in existing ones would already be beneficial. But that's probably what the Cursor acquisition is going to do eventually

Cakez0r - 28 minutes ago

If someone from Grok is reading, don't waste time on these chaff features. The market will eventually deliver better 3rd party solutions to all of these things. There is an audience that isn't interested in these walled garden features and are only interested on intelligence per dollar.

torginus - 13 minutes ago

Aren't they 'wasting' time on these features exactly because the engineering requires a different, more traditional skillset from the ML work model people do, and can be done in parallel?

ajitid - 34 minutes ago

If I sub to SuperGrok, would I be able to use it in Pi agent or in Opencode? This is not clear to me if I can. Do I get an API Key in SuperGrok?

everfrustrated - 24 minutes ago

No, no api access for the Grok product. APIs are only via the xAI product.

Oarch - 36 minutes ago

I'd agree on the voice transcription; it seems so much more accurate than the other frontier models I've used. I often speak to Grok and paste the transcribed output to Claude!

walletdrainer - 1 hour ago

> No MCP / connected apps support. It's been teased but here we are, still not available. I can't connect Grok to anything, so I can't use it for serious work

Grok has tool use, no? Why would you also need MCP? What does MCP add?

artdigital - 1 hour ago

I'm talking about the consumer Grok app and grok.com website. There currently are not connected apps (or MCP) at all, so while Grok can use tools, there is no way to add tools to it

afpx - 2 hours ago

When I signed up, I accidently paid for a full year. So from time to time, I'll throw it something just to see what it produces compared to the other LLMs. And, even after all this time, it still feels like a really "dumb" model compared to the other frontier ones. But, worse, many of my system prompts make it go wacky and puke jibberish. However it was pretty cool for those couple months awhile back when it was uncensored. You could ask it about a wild conspiracy, and it would actually build the case and link you to legitimite source material. They dropped the hammer down on that real quick.

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

Ah yes the psychosis reinforcement vertical. It's such a lucrative market for those schizophrenics and bipolars. Great way to get lots of engagement. Groks portfolio is so diverse

readthenotes1 - 1 hour ago

I have a schizophrenic relative who is in such a relationship with grok. Instead of telling hen you need to take your meds, it says hen is the smartest person in the world

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

I'm so sorry your family is suffering from this. I hope you can find a way to bring them back. Disorders featuring psychosis are so painful for everyone around them. Blessings to you and your family

afpx - 16 minutes ago

I love how you guys downvote all the old comments to make them hidden from search. Rando accounts

afpx - 42 minutes ago

Except that it pointed at original sources, like reference manuals, archival documents, published newspaper articles, magazine articles, etc. - a lot still available on archive.org. Good try with your 16 day old account. And, why would anyone trust NPR at this point? Get real, bud. Most people with any curiousity know all about the ADL, JStreet, AIPAC, Greater Israel, Mossad / CIA, Chabad networks, Epstein, drones, weapons programs, cryptocurrencies, etc. etc. etc. - but, don't worry they're all safe with papa Ellison.

Anyone remember why Oracle was named Oracle?

arvid-lind - 38 minutes ago

Commenter was referencing a Bill Hicks joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXi-9kA4ERM

afpx - 21 minutes ago

Couldn't find the joke - what time segment is it?

2ndorderthought - 35 minutes ago

Someone gets it!

2ndorderthought - 35 minutes ago

"We have improved @Grok significantly," Elon Musk wrote on X last Friday about his platform's integrated artificial intelligence chatbot. "You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions."

Indeed, the update did not go unnoticed. By Tuesday, Grok was calling itself "MechaHitler."...

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-...

Grok is definitely a reliable source of truthful sane rational information.

tornikeo - 2 hours ago

So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me.

aembleton - 34 minutes ago

I've tried Grok, Gemini and ChatGPT. There have been 2 times now where Gemini and ChatGPT confidently gave me an incorrect answer whereas Grok was correct. I'm now paying for Grok Lite or whatever it is $10 plan.

The first question was around setting up timers for a Fox ESS battery in Home Assistant and disconnecting Fox ESS from the cloud. The second was around cornering speed in Sunnypilot and Frogpilot.

Somewhat niche but if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with.

agrounds - 25 minutes ago

>if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with.

But they all do that. It just comes with the territory. Grok will absolutely do the same thing another time you try it.

sudb - 1 hour ago

So interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all other models refused to cooperate.

I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!).

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...

spiderfarmer - 1 hour ago

For the naysayers: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk...

user34283 - 1 hour ago

We have been over the politically motivated slander many times; it's boring.

The user above you could have explained what uncensored models he believes are more capable than Grok. Maybe the Chinese open-weights models are superior to Grok at the moment.

2ndorderthought - 54 minutes ago

It's not slander. Everything I said is true. You can go to the whitehouses website and read the pdfs containing his emails where he is messaging Jeffrey Epstein a convicted child sex trafficker to visit multiple times. There also multiple pictures of him with Jeffrey and ghislaine maxwell(another convicted child sex trafficker) from multiple events. Therefore, he used to hang out with sex traffickers.

Also, I don't know tons about uncensored models because I don't use them. But I do see posts on r/localllama about "abliterated models". Those are models which have been fine tuned to remove safety filters almost entirely while maintaining predictive efficacy.

Has nothing to do with China. People can do this to any open text model as far as I know.

gadders - 15 minutes ago

So did Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman.

user34283 - 39 minutes ago

On Artifical Analysis it shows only Kimi K2.6 and Mimo V2.5 Pro as better.

Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical.

About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time.

As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party.

I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations.

2ndorderthought - 25 minutes ago

I'm not making any allegations. Simply stating the fact that he hung out with them in multiple occasions.

I also know he has stated that he has had direct involvement in groks directionality. Thereby it's no surprise to me that grok was generating csam. I also genuinely would not be surprised if grok offered advice for sex trafficking, etc.

All publicly available evidence and discussions from the guy himself.

Hfuffzehn - 35 minutes ago

From what I can gather Grok is not used for roleplay much. It is considered to inconsistant and crazy.

People are mostly using GLM and Deepseek via API and Gemma4 and Mistral finetunes locally.

It seems to me like the roleplay market is comparatively old and mature and users have developed cost consciousness and like models to follow their workflow/preferences. So something like Opus is liked for its smartness but considered too expensive and opinionated.

Might be an interesting data point for how the other markets might develop in the future.

coreyh14444 - 1 hour ago

If you need to ask about what people on Twitter are talking about, Grok is really good for that obviously. I use it all the time for "what are the cool kids on twitter saying is the best tiling window manager these days" or whatever. Also, if you have a question that's borderline shady, Grok will often deliver. "Can you find a grey market Windows license site for me" etc.

nsowz - 2 hours ago

Grok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t.

aqme28 - 1 hour ago

There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!

embedding-shape - 12 minutes ago

> Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM?

I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM?

Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality?

There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation.

addedGone - 1 hour ago

Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.

pred_ - 30 minutes ago

> Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity.

At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer.

https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...

addedGone - 56 minutes ago

If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.

2ndorderthought - 50 minutes ago

Sure!

Hamuko - 46 minutes ago

But it's not doing any ransoms, right? Because Grok wasn't instructing users on how to create CSAM.

nsowz - 1 hour ago

I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.

aqme28 - 1 hour ago

I don't see how that changes my point at all.

edit: to clarify for you, here's an example.

Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.

simianwords - 1 hour ago

Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked

aqme28 - 38 minutes ago

What claim? I didn't make any of that sort

SanjayMehta - 1 hour ago

100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia.

ndr - 2 hours ago

You should try all of them, then update your opinion about your information sources accordingly.

karmasimida - 49 minutes ago

Grok for fact checking, I mean ironically

augment_me - 30 minutes ago

Gemini not being on the list is criminal

drivingmenuts - 44 minutes ago

When I look at the person behind it all, I have to wonder how the hell people can even consider using grok? Or using Twitter? Or any of that. Using any of those things puts money in Musk's pockets and further enables and encourages him to continue being a Neo-Nazi wannabe. Do they think it's just a phase?

everfrustrated - 19 minutes ago

Do you drive BMW or VW car? Boy do I have news for you!

doctorhandshake - 7 minutes ago

Technically you could lump Ford in this category as well. But the meaningful delta IMO is time and direct ownership. None of those three are currently owned/operated by openly Nazi-aligned individuals / groups, which is not something I think you can claim about Tesla.

vrganj - 2 hours ago

Grok for furthering the far-right filter bubble Elon has been hard at work building.

khalic - 1 hour ago

And of course child porn

gadders - 19 minutes ago

That's what BlueSky is for.

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

That's what it was doing. Like literally. Chatgpt it or Google it. Supporting grok is paying money to a csam generator.

Edit I cannot reply to the post below me. I have gone entirely over to local models so I am paying zero dollars to any of the us defense contractors that are also tech companies. It's awesome.

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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khalic - 1 hour ago

Grok was used to create CSAM

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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spiderfarmer - 1 hour ago

Musk partied with Epstein.

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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tclancy - 34 minutes ago

What’s the correlation between people defending Musk, Twitter and kiddie diddlers?

spiderfarmer - 1 hour ago

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk...

pixel_popping - 1 hour ago

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gadders - 19 minutes ago

Twitter was a far-left filter bubble before he bought it.

simianwords - 1 hour ago

How does Grok further far-right filter? This is blatantly untrue. Try prompting it and getting it to say something far right.

Grok if anything reduces populism because fake claims can be debunked

vrganj - 1 hour ago

How could MechaHitler possibly be far right...

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

When you really think about it palantir told me Hitler was good and therefore mechahitler aka grok should be a okay!

simianwords - 1 hour ago

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vrganj - 1 hour ago

Sure. And so was the Holocaust denial and the misinformation about the French 2015 attacks and so on and so on.

Its just roleplaying being a far right propaganda tool.

simianwords - 1 hour ago

Source?

vrganj - 1 hour ago

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/france-will-investigate-m...

simianwords - 1 hour ago

As admitted they have fixed it. It’s obvious that a tool used so vastly might have problems like this. Surely if you think it is used to produce far right propaganda now you can reproduce? Or you choose to hinge on one off issues they fixed?

khalic - 1 hour ago

Lol. I think they unleashed it on this post, look at the number of only vaguely related, lukewarm opinions trying to push the racism and CSAM stuff to the bottom

johnnyApplePRNG - 1 hour ago

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xiphias2 - 36 minutes ago

It's just at the Chinese levels for coding, so right now it's just a money earing thing for investors.

I hope the Cursor guys help them catch up to be closer to frontier models because they badly need help in it.

AntiUSAbah - 25 minutes ago

I hope not. Musk can directly go to hell with his shit.

Nonetheless, the 10 Billion and 60 Billion deal with Cursor is weird as hell. I can only imagine that he wants to throw as much money at all of his shit before the IPO.

He probably wants the training data

ai_fry_ur_brain - 33 minutes ago

They all suck.

AntiUSAbah - 10 minutes ago

Please reconsider why you want to use Grok.

Musk allowed childpornography because of lulz.

Musk created a Antiwikipedia like 1984 (please read the book).

Musk did two nazi salutes in front of a MAGA publicum to get their approval.

Musk allowed grok hitler.

I have been to a concentration camp. I read and visited white rose in munich. This is not fun, not a joke, not some nonsense. The siblings Scholl were normal human beings and students in munich. They were killed for non violent resistence. This was only possible due to the slippery slope of facism and dehumaninzation of humans.

Elon Musk is a facist or at least doesn't care about anything at all. He is an igorant mf.

xAI is completly owned by him.

I will invite you to munich and my couch, i can show you a concentration camp, i can show you the memorial of white rose.

Just use another AI provider.

maz1b - 2 hours ago

I still wish they named it something else, but congratulations to the team on what seems to be a good release!

Pricing is also quite surprising, compared to comparable competitors. I guess they have tons of capacity or really want to bring over more people.

readthenotes1 - 1 hour ago

You don't like science fiction references in general or Heinlein in particular?

draxil - 1 hour ago

I don't like that word, which was previously a common part of my vocabulary, being forever ruined?

randallsquared - 11 minutes ago

My father's name was Claude, but, you know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hamuko - 40 minutes ago

It did try to rename itself to MechaHitler at one point, but I don't think it was an improvement.

mythz - 2 hours ago

Ok speed (202.7 tok/s) and value (1.25 -> 2.50) look great, with pretty decent intelligence.

Cakez0r - 24 minutes ago

202.7 tok/s is only OK speed? Which providers are you using that are significantly better than that?

pzo - 2 hours ago

The problem with speed is that they usually are very fast for first few weeks and then suddenly much slower. They did such trick when they advertised Grok 4 fast ( dropped from 200 tps to 60tps)

polski-g - 13 minutes ago

Grok 4.1 is still 110tps. The only other model that comes close is Gemini at 85tps.

victorbjorklund - 2 hours ago

Wow. That is a big drop.

catcowcostume - 2 hours ago

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kuboble - 2 hours ago

I don't remember the source of the quote.

But debating whether the models are intelligent is slim to debating whether a car can walk.

You can offload to the model a lot of work that until recently we thought requires intelligence. The more and better of those tasks the model can do, it's fair to call it intelligence*

NitpickLawyer - 1 hour ago

"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra

MrDrDr - 2 hours ago

Please elaborate.

IshKebab - 1 hour ago

Some people have this strange idea that only "whatever humans do" counts as intelligence, despite the fact that a) we don't really have a clue what humans do, and b) "intelligence" is definitely not that strictly defined.

I think they're just trying to feel like they know some important truth that other people don't.

nesk_ - 2 hours ago

Prediction is not intelligence.

mirekrusin - 1 hour ago

Misprediction is?

exe34 - 2 hours ago

What does intelligence mean to you?

ragchronos - 2 hours ago

When looking at the benchmarks, this model seems to be really close to Kimi K2.6 in terms of intelligence and pricing, hitting that sweet spot. It does also have a higher AA-Omniscience index, which is something kimi and other open models lack in. Curious to see how pleasant it is to use.

alfiedotwtf - 2 hours ago

I’ll eat my hat if it even comes close to Kimi

mirekrusin - 1 hour ago

How would you like it? Well done?

__patchbit__ - 1 hour ago

What about spending $41 million on each model's tokens and seeing the value gain? be it efficiency gain in factory work or energy savings in austere battlescape hunting.

netdur - 2 hours ago

In court vs openai, Musk said Grok is partly trained on openai models, so it should be somehow similar to Chinese models in terms of performance and cost!

kilroy123 - 59 minutes ago

People are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans.

I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.

renegade-otter - 16 minutes ago

Pardon me for feeling icky when giving money to the guy who is obsessed with "white replacement".

I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money.

And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).

foltik - 5 minutes ago

Never used grok, never will.

ai_fry_ur_brain - 30 minutes ago

Your $200 claude code subscription is a cheap subsidized plan.

You're getting like 40k in tokens a year for $2400. A whole lotta people are about to be sad when they realize they bet their competency on that lasting forever.

kilroy123 - 5 minutes ago

That's my point. While the billionares fight each other over who has the best model, this will continue for a while. At least, I think so.

troupo - 51 minutes ago

Credit where it's due, Grok is currently the only model that has near-realtime updates from/access to a waterhose of data, and is casually used by regular people all the time.

I don't think there's a single thread on Xitter whete people don't delegate some question to grok.

(There's a separate conversation of failure modes, and whether it's a good thing, and how much control Elon had when he doesn't like Grok's "woke" responses)

alyxya - 2 hours ago

Despite their attrition, this combined with their cursor partnership is likely going to make them competitive in coding agents soon.

mirekrusin - 1 hour ago

All those plans from providers should be sliders – prepay more, get more in return.

agunapal - 1 hour ago

Very competitive price for the speed and intelligence being offered!

happosai - 2 hours ago

I lost the trust in them when they added the racist "what about killing of Boers in south Africa" thing to their system prompt.

No way am I going to use a model where the backing has such blatantly obvious brain washing goals.

Hugsun - 1 hour ago

It is unbelievable that this is a controversial opinion.

miroljub - 2 hours ago

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vrganj - 1 hour ago

There is no non-bias. What you call unbiased is always just a reflection of your personal biases.

That being said, I am definitely against a model that is biased to be following the ideology of a far-right extremist.

Jtarii - 1 hour ago

Musk bought a social media company for the specific purpose of getting Trump elected by turning it into a right wing propaganda machine. Have Anthropic/OpenAI/Google done something similar to that?

henry2023 - 1 hour ago

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OtherShrezzing - 2 hours ago

The tok/s stat is interesting. Since the dominant constraint on inference speed is hardware, it suggests X purchased far more compute than was really needed to serve the demand for their models.

Expensive miscalculation.

flir - 1 hour ago

Didn't a bunch of hardware that was destined for Tesla get redirected to xAI? I'm sure I remember something like that.

mikeyouse - 56 minutes ago

Yep! Why his shareholders in Tesla abide by this kind of thing is beyond me, but he often mixes resources from completely unrelated companies: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/04/elon-musk-told-nvidia-to...

BoredPositron - 2 hours ago

Yay, free tokens. I don't know why but grok always seems good fast in the free token phase and after that degrades.

Imustaskforhelp - 2 hours ago

Pelican riding a bike here: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...

(ran this on arena.ai direct chat and also tried to write this gist inspired by how simon writes his gists about pelicans)

Edit: just realized that I made pelican riding a bike instead of bicycle, which now makes sense as to why it hardened the bicycle to look tankier, going to compare this with pelican riding a bicycle if anybody else shares the pelican riding a bicycle.

gchamonlive - 2 hours ago

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...

You should probably come up with variations, like a beaver riding a scooter or something, just to see what's what :)

Imustaskforhelp - 2 hours ago

Thanks I have generated both

beaver riding a scooter: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...

pelican riding a bicycle: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...

Personal opinion but the beaver one looks especially bad as compared to pelicans. Can we be for sure that this model of grok-4.3 hasn't been trained on pelican. Simonw in blog-post says that he will try with other creatures so I hope he does that but it does feel to me as the model/xAI is trying to cheat, Hope Simonw tests it out more.

Edit: Also added turtle riding a scooter, something which literally has images online or heck even teenage mutant ninja turtles and I thought that it would be able to pass this but it wasn't even able to generate this: https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/f6de26bd0d0817e056...

This literally looks more avocado than turtle. Perhaps this could be a bug from arena.ai or something else too, not sure but at this point waiting for simon's analysis.

gchamonlive - 1 hour ago

We can never be sure of course, but I think this is a very strong indication that pelican riding a bike is indeed going into the training dataset.

Thanks for generating those!

simianwords - 3 hours ago

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/grok-4-3

nextaccountic - 2 hours ago

This puts Sonnet 4.6 above Opus 4.6 in the coding index.. kinda hard to trust those numbers.

(Also it puts Opus 4.7 universally above Opus 4.6, and I may be wrong but this doesn't seem to match the experience of most/many/some people. I think it's widely recognized that Anthropic is severely lacking compute and Opus 4.7 is a costs saving measure)

manmal - 1 hour ago

Anthropic themselves have (had?) this thing where Opus is used for planning and Sonnet for coding.

nextaccountic - 33 minutes ago

I thought this was a costs saving measure: we plan with the frontier model / SOTA, then code with something cheaper.

But then, Anthropic employees don't have rate limits, right?

Alifatisk - 2 hours ago

Does numbers don't look exciting at all? I may have gotten spoiled by releases from Qwen, Kimi and Z.ai who keep closing the gap between closed weight SOTA models and open weight. From my experience, Grok is only useful for one thing, and that's looking up things for you and gathering a consensus on topics. That's it.

Update, I noted that Grok 4.3 is in the "Most attractive quadrant", that's cool! It is also in the top 5 highest in "AA-Omniscience Index", good! Really good.

progbits - 2 hours ago

What's with the charts and numbers?

It says #1 for speed but then in the chart it's #2. Also says #10 for intelligence but then it's #7 in the chart.

BoorishBears - 2 hours ago

What an exciting game we're playing, where the most popular leaderboard is completely made up and the stakes are in the trillions.

khalic - 2 hours ago

This project is a gigantic waste of resources, it’s fine tuned on politics of the CEO, was used for CSAM generation and just sucks overall

johnnyApplePRNG - 1 hour ago

The resource waste he's talking about is horrendous, read more here: https://time.com/7308925/elon-musk-memphis-ai-data-center/

servo_sausage - 1 hour ago

I like that there are models with divergent politics; the status quo being creepy corporate left silicon valley is not healthy or pleasant to interact with.

Even with grock it's only broadening things to creepy corporate right of silicon valley.

spiderfarmer - 2 hours ago

It’s a model made for 36% of Americans. The rest of the world can’t care less.

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

Considering how few Americans there are and how little of that 39% even uses technology, that's what 20 million people at a maximum?

Hugsun - 1 hour ago

That seems like a decently sized market. Maybe not for an AI lab though.

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

Sure it's a good market for a normal company. For a social media company it's pretty isolated and really limits the products that can come out. But their current selling points: propaganda, csam, and psychosis engagement are quite strong amongst that population.

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alfiedotwtf - 2 hours ago

If there was any model I wouldn’t trust, it wouldn’t be the ones from China, it would be the one from Elon Musk

Cthulhu_ - 2 hours ago

Thankfully it's not an either / or, I don't trust any models. This is a healthy attitude to have because you shouldn't trust anyone on the internet either, especially when it comes to specific subjects.

benrutter - 59 minutes ago

That's definitely a good approach. Although I get a little concerned about the resources put into convincing people that models (and especially Grok) are accurate. For example, X's "fact checked by Grok" approvals, which I've unfortunately heard people reference as meaningful.

Politically motivated models can still do a lot of damage that affects me (or "have a lot of impact" depending on whether you like the politics or not) even if I don't engage with them myself.

2ndorderthought - 1 hour ago

I don't trust this. But by not trusting it I am inherently trusting it. But by trusting it I shouldn't.

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curtisblaine - 1 hour ago

Please avoid comments with no real substance, written just to denigrate, with a throwaway account. They make discourse unnecessarily worse.

gigatexal - 54 minutes ago

How do the grok models fare in coding challenges to say gpt 5.5 and opus 4.6/4.7?

I hate giving Elon any money. The man is a net negative to society but … if the models are objectively better then logically I must no?

simonh - 49 minutes ago

Logic can't tell you what your objectives should be, only how to achieve them.